tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post7436398909131402002..comments2023-12-30T06:49:48.543-06:00Comments on Ancient Evangelical Future: Lark News Satirizes "Orthodox Lite" WorshipDavid Neffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07885526638338163556noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-5768458833595625882007-09-16T23:11:00.000-05:002007-09-16T23:11:00.000-05:00I think I understand the concerns over the "divide...I think I understand the concerns over the "divide" between the Great Tradition and the Great Church -- I repeatedly hear these concerns from Anglican and Orthodox leaders in particular. I don't, however, see the catholicity of the Church threatened by what has been satirically labeled as "Orthodox Lite". Quite to the contrary, I see many evangelicals in particular stepping out in positive directions, with changes they would never have remotely considered a decade or two ago. I don't see such changes as the destination, but rather as fresh wind along the way.<BR/><BR/>Btw, love your blog, David.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>Chris MonroeChris Monroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09417011120111224697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-28351316462146343932007-09-10T15:54:00.000-05:002007-09-10T15:54:00.000-05:00RE: mah's post - As an Orthodox Christian, I just ...RE: mah's post - <BR/><BR/>As an Orthodox Christian, I just want to make it clear that Berdyaev was about as Orthodox as my neighbor's tabby cat. Please do not look to him to learn about Orthodoxy.<BR/><BR/>As far as the satirical piece, that was pretty good. I will not be one bit surprised if eventually that becomes a reality, as some Protestant denominations continue to try desperately to market to every possible niche.Lanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18136784710533803841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-39853309369805845962007-09-10T13:53:00.000-05:002007-09-10T13:53:00.000-05:00Simon Chan's Liturgical Theology (InterVarsity Pre...Simon Chan's Liturgical Theology (InterVarsity Press) is a good take on this set of issues from an evangelical perspective and develops Brad's concern very well. There is a coherent, intentional form and meaning in the ancient pattern of Christian liturgy. When we pick and choose from it in eclectic fashion, we reduce its meaning to mere aestheticism in service to experientialism.<BR/><BR/>Not that I feel strongly about it . . .Joel Scandretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17463766480295968603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-82869490351201199232007-09-09T12:11:00.000-05:002007-09-09T12:11:00.000-05:00The trouble is, it's not really satire. There real...The trouble is, it's not really satire. There really <I>are</I> people like that. The example may be fictitious, but it's not a-typical.Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-33834012289899381742007-09-06T22:00:00.000-05:002007-09-06T22:00:00.000-05:00Thank you for reminding us of the basics of liturg...Thank you for reminding us of the basics of liturgy; what it is, what it accomplishes for the church. You say so simply what I struggle to explain to friends and parishioners on an almost weekly basis. Grace and peace!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030403497037150297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-37846984883826248092007-09-06T14:44:00.000-05:002007-09-06T14:44:00.000-05:00nice post. good points. helps to show legitimate...nice post. good points. helps to show legitimate reasons behind liturgy. <BR/><BR/>everything's on a pendulum, i suppose. we swing too far one way and we try to bring it back, until we realize we've swung too far to the other, and retrace our steps.<BR/><BR/>maybe we avoid the middle because we equate it too much with being "lukewarm". or non-commital. or "relative", ie, no way is better or truer than another, and all paths lead to god. <BR/><BR/>we also tend to fear too much any "slippery slope" that we might not recover from. perhaps that's one reason for the inerrancy battles. show someone that matthew says jesus rode into jerusalem on two animals, and mark says he rode in on one, and they will redefine "inerrancy" instead of allowing any chance that the bible is inerrant.<BR/><BR/>thanks for the post.spud tooleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09921322553025339949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-58453787026979700502007-09-06T12:55:00.000-05:002007-09-06T12:55:00.000-05:00re: objectivity.I see your point, but I would argu...re: objectivity.<BR/><BR/>I see your point, but I would argue that that Orthodox worship isn't objective. Instead, I like the way Nicolas Berdaeyv puts it in "Slavery and Freedom": <BR/><BR/><I>personality is not formulated by the world of objects but by subjectivity, in which is hidden the power of the image of God. Human personality is theandric existence. Theologians will reply in alarm that Jesus Christ alone was God-man, and that man is a created being and cannot be God-man. But this way of arguing remains within the confines of theological rationalism. Granted man is not God-man in the sense is which Christ is God-man, the unique One; yet there is a divine element in man.</I><BR/><BR/>Ok, perhaps I'm missing the point of both of you completely and just looking for an excuse to share my the work of favorite Orthodox philosopher.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15468724188641357736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7133337679802093018.post-24349811225070180032007-09-02T16:26:00.000-05:002007-09-02T16:26:00.000-05:00David, this has been one of my concerns with post-...David, this has been one of my concerns with post-modern evangelicalism and its occassional dive into the Orthodox pool: They fail to keep the "Great Tradition" connected with the "Great Church". It's a pick and choose mentality that adversly affects the "catholicity" of the Church. I hope evangelicals will ponder this inseparable link when they look to Christian antiquity for their modern forms of worship.Brad Nassifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12184132741213012699noreply@blogger.com